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Federal vs. Local: The Rochester Police Controversy Explained
The complex relationship between federal and local law enforcement comes to a head in this thought-provoking discussion centered on a controversial incident from Rochester, New York. When local police responded to a Border Patrol request for backup during a traffic stop, they found themselves publicly criticized by both their mayor and police chief for violating the city's sanctuary policies. This stunning rebuke of officers for assisting federal law enforcement raises profound questions about jurisdictional authority, police morale, and the practical implementation of immigration policies.
We dive deep into the legal and ethical tensions at play when sanctuary resolutions conflict with federal immigration law. As one voice in our conversation argues, "If federal law is being broken, then federal jurisdictions have the right to come in" - but does that obligate local officers to help? The discussion explores how sanctuary policies create challenging contradictions for law enforcement officers caught between competing directives, potentially undermining their fundamental purpose.
The conversation broadens to examine Governor Kristi Noem's controversial visit to a detention facility and the politics of border security before shifting to a lighter note with our question of the day about beverage preferences. Whether you're concerned about immigration policy, interested in the balance between federal and local authority, or simply wondering whether you're alone in your ice cube habits, this episode offers fresh perspectives on issues both significant and everyday. Join the conversation and share your thoughts on where you stand on these multifaceted issues.
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Well, hello and good morning, Happy Friday, it's the weekend and bonus content today. We have the Gent with us this morning and no, this is not Brood Awakening, that will be on Sunday. This is still Carol Remarks with my guest and bonus content the Gent.
Speaker 2:Although I have brewed coffee and we are awake. Yes, we are, good morning.
Speaker 1:Good morning. All right, I have a little story for you and I want to get your opinion and your reaction on this. Um, just found out, opened the new york post app and the first story that pops up you go to jail this first story that pops up is a sanctuary city mayor, police chief, scold cops for assisting border patrol officers who asked for backup, and it's against our policy. Now it's from Rochester. I guess that's New York, rochester.
Speaker 2:Is that right, New York yeah.
Speaker 1:So this police chief held a press conference and scold not the police the mayor. The mayor held the press conference and said this is against our policy because the local police responded to a request from the federal agents to help with this traffic stop. And they showed up sirens and lights going, and then the police chief also joined the mayor and pretty much threw his officers under the bus for helping and assisting, saying this is against our policy. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2:You know I don't know the difference between federal law, local law, and when federal laws usurp local laws, or if just being a mandated sanctuary city Resolution. You know resolution means anything. I can make a resolution for anything. But you know, to me if federal law is being broken, then the federal jurisdictions have the right to come in and take these people away. Federal jurisdictions have the right to come in and take these people away and you know, being a local officer, you should want to help your other officers. Even being a sanctuary city, you know you can take in, let's say, aliens, whatever the case may be, and all that stuff. But if someone's broken laws, regardless, regardless, you need to help the federal people. That's my take on it. This idea of just saying you know we're, we're a sanctuary city and we're going to house, you know anybody who's here illegally, anybody who's broken a law, you can't come get them because we're gonna. You hold on to them. That's bogus bullshit.
Speaker 1:I mean, I just don't understand how it operates If you have federal law and then you have states' rights and laws, but from my understanding it's just a resolution for them. I don't know if that's a law or not for their. I mean, like you said, it's federal law. Trump.
Speaker 2:State law. I don't know. You know we have state it is against federal law to come into this country illegally. That would usurp any local law that says we're going to take in anybody that has broken federal law and not help the feds with this federal law.
Speaker 1:And it really does come down to that being that simple it is.
Speaker 2:It's that simple and the state at that point can't say, well, even though they've broken all these federal laws, we're going to say, no, you know we're going to go against you. Well, ok, then you go against the protections that the federal government gives you. You know, I guess you know as far as any. You know if you're a member of that state, then they'll take away. They have the right to take away any federal funding that you might get. They have the right to take away, you know, social security. Take away anything like that, because you know you're not following federal law. So therefore you're on your own.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but as I was reading this article, it just killed me. This police chief said we are not to be handcuffing people, we are not to be doing this, and I'm like then why are you even there? What do you do? You put them in?
Speaker 2:timeout. That works, that works. Put them in timeout. Yeah, that works.
Speaker 1:Anyway, the city is called is rochester, the mayor is called malik evans that's his name and the police chief's last name is smith. I'll put the article out on twitter, out on x, so you can go read the full length of it to get this, to get the story. It's, it's, it's insane. I don't understand what is wrong with these people who want to, who want to host and house these illegal people. I'm not, I'm sure, not all of them are criminal. Well, they are criminal if they cross the border, illegal. They're criminals, period. But I'm talking about, like rapists and murder, but that's what they're sending over here. I mean, look around, have you, have you not watched the news? The last four years, for the most, part.
Speaker 2:That's what's coming over. You know you might have. You know I might get in trouble for saying there might be. There's some good people on both sides.
Speaker 1:Well, I tell you but there's probably some good people that have been thrown in there and then have come in. But Well, kristi Noem just went down to wherever that other country is, venezuela or wherever they look like good people, um, and apparently we've sent some bad people back over there, so let's talk about that.
Speaker 1:You asked me the uh yesterday what I thought about christy gnome showing up out there and I said, oh, I don't know. You asked me if would I be nervous. I'm like, well, maybe a little, but you know she's very well protected. You just said you wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, I wouldn't have. I agree wholeheartedly. I'm just saying, that's the point. Regardless, they broke the law.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go, I'm talking about Kristi Noem.
Speaker 2:I'm not standing in front of that jail?
Speaker 1:Why Hell no?
Speaker 2:That's kind of like walking through the Grand Bazaar in Turkey. If you make eye contact with them, they suck you in and you die. That's it, you're dead.
Speaker 1:That's nothing like that, because you're walking around freely there. These people are jailed, they're housed up, they're behind bars. You make eye contact and she's christy no, she's well protected, they're the devil.
Speaker 2:you know, I saw, I said when I, when I was a kid and went, you know, had to go visit jails when they were trying to either, they weren't scaring me straight, but you know, when they were saying that you don't want to go here, you don't want to go here, you don't want to go there, I didn't want to be anywhere because those people behind those doors might get you and take you in and you know, therefore, you're in hell. To me, those people behind those bars were the devil All right.
Speaker 1:Well, you kind of missed my whole point that I want to talk about Christy Gnome being going.
Speaker 2:Well, I know where you're going with that, so I kind of diverted it, Because you think I've got a crush on Christy Gnome and that's not true.
Speaker 1:I put out an ex-old boy. My husband's in love with Christy Gnome now because she went and stood in front of a bunch of criminals behind locked bars with a lot of protection. She thinks she's a badass.
Speaker 2:Nope, I just said I wouldn't do it. I would not do it.
Speaker 1:All right, we need to have a question of the day. Hold on, okay. My question of the day, totally off topic from anything we just talked about just now. When your choice of beverage and I'm not talking about hot things like coffee or tea, I'm talking about like water, tea, soda, lemonade, anything like that Do you drink at room temperature or do you put ice in it?
Speaker 2:Ice.
Speaker 1:I put a little bit of ice, but I don't like it super cold because my teeth are very sensitive. Now, if I'm drinking out of a straw, it's different.
Speaker 2:Ice.
Speaker 1:All right, there you go. That's the question of the day. Thanks for listening. Ice Love y'all. Go Dawgs.